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rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

topic posted Sun, December 30, 2007 - 2:02 AM by  Kali
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hello everybody,
a lot of confusion exists about rahu.
for example, many wonder if it is used for the "jaimini" karakas. well, reading BPHS it appears rahu was meant to be used as a tie breaker in case 2 planets had the same degrees and minutes, otherwise, use the 7 karaka scheme.
now, with regards to rahu's special aspects, is there any scriptural source that anyone out there knows of to substantiate why rahu, and maybe ketu as well, would have special 5/9 aspects? if not, from where do some astrologers determine that the nodes, or just rahu, have special graha drishti? BPHS and JS have nothing to say.
on a related topic, are rashi aspects equal in importance to graha aspects? i realize some would say yes, and i myself am open and leaning towards this, but i wonder, why are rashi aspects pretty much ignored in most standard books by leading authors?
i realize too that it would be tough to find an event in a chart that can only be explained by a rashi aspect in a way that would clinch the deal, showing that indeed rashi aspects are powerful and always need to be taken into consideration. some say use rashi aspects with rashi dashas, and graha aspects with nakshatra dashas. but, this doesnt help with static analysis, and anyway, if a planet is rashi aspected by another planet, it would affect its performance in any dasha that activates it, planetary or rashi based, i would imagine.
i am looking forward to hearing from the forum, any opinions are welcome,
kalidas
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Kali
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  • Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

    Sun, December 30, 2007 - 5:38 AM
    Interesting point.i have also been thinking on this point.Logically the nodes,which are specifically referred to as chaya or shadow grahas should not have an aspect even to the seventh house : ( their counterpart is present in the seventh house.)Being the intersection points of the Sun and the Moon,can we consider them as the result of the interplay of spiritual and mental processes in our lives?That would make them non- material but none the less very powerful.Has anyone come across anything in the classics to support any such thesis ?
    If i can be allowed a digression, i have heard that among the religions Hinduism is connected to Jupiter ( a celebration of life in all its aspects ) Christianity to Saturn ( emphasis on sin and forgiving ) and Islam to Rahu.Without being judgemental does this tell us something about the nature of Islam? I would welcome any insight on this issue. regs bala
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    Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

    Mon, December 31, 2007 - 10:23 AM
    Hi Kali,

    Since I am not schooled in Sanskrit and not adept at reading translations, I currently have to go on the information my teacher passes on. This is how I understand the nodes with regards to your questions.

    Rahu is included in the chara karakas if you are considering a living being. Rahu is not included in the chara karakas if you are considering a non-living being, like the start of a company or a country. In the case where it is a non-living being, there is no Putra Karaka (karaka of children) as non-living beings can't procreate.

    According to my teacher, there is not much on Rahu & Ketu in the ancient texts after BPHS. For many years astrologers did not know about BPHS, it was lost until recently. It wasn't until astrologers started using the vimshottari dasa system that they began writing more about the nodes and making them into karakas and giving them qualities like the other grahas. I think this is when somebody came up with special aspects for the nodes.

    My understanding is that the nodes are just an intersection through the zodiac, like the Lagna. They represent where the zodiac intersects with the path of the Moon, so they reveal the birth and death of the ego mind, just like the ascendant and descendant (1st & 7th houses) show the birth and death of the physical body. The intersection line of the nodes is very important, that's why they are considered grahas. But they are not embodied planets like the other grahas. They have no substance, and so they aren't really karakas and they don't have special aspects. They don't behave like the other grahas.

    DR
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    Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

    Mon, December 31, 2007 - 10:30 AM
    With regards to your second question, according to BPHS rashi aspects are more important than graha aspects. Although many people who study BPHS say that rashi aspects are jaimini and jaimini is a separate discipline, rashi aspects are in fact mentioned in BPHS and they are mentioned before graha aspects, so that means they are more important. Parasara tells you about rasi aspects and then tells you about yogas that use aspects, so clearly he wants you to use rasi aspects for these yogas. I'm still trying to figure out when to use which in my own practice. My focus right now is not on yogas, so I am not using rasi aspects so much. My understanding of this is all based on the interpretations of my teacher Ernst.

    DR
    • Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

      Mon, December 31, 2007 - 12:52 PM
      david
      my understanding is that the rasi aspect show what will happen, while the planetary aspects show how we feel about it. one is more predictive than the other.
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        Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

        Mon, December 31, 2007 - 3:40 PM
        In ernst's predictive classes we use the planetary aspects to make predictions.
        • thanks, your reply on the nodes makes sense.
          now if we can just bypass lord shiva's curse ...
          in my chart (27 march, 12:18am after midnight, scorpio lagna, tehran, iran) , just before entering moon mahadasha, i developed chronic fatigue that lasted 7 years until spring 2006 when i met a tantric who gave me an energized coral for mars and 8 faced rudrakshas for rahu, as he said rahu was causing the problem primarily. and i always thought it was shani. well, rahu casts rashi aspect on my lagna, and lagnesh mars, and on my moon, otherwise i am hard pressed to explain why the moon dasha gave me very debilitating chronic fatigue that chinese and ayurvedic herbs only temporarily helped, over the years, essentially incurable until i met the that tantric.
          the way i see it, graha aspects dont address this at all. now per rashi aspects, moon and rahu aspect eachother, and thus rahu's aspect both on lagna and lagnesh got activated during moon vimshottari mahadasha.
          any ideas?
          kd
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            Kali,

            What year were you born?

            Thanks,
            David
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              Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

              Thu, January 3, 2008 - 10:47 AM
              I am guessing it is 1973. Please correct me if I am wrong.
              • hi david,
                oops, sorry
                1972, seventy two


                and thanks for everyone's input. (and sadasiva, i am glad i bumped into you at amma's...got me thinking, as you can see)
                so now unless i am wrong, my chart proves rashi aspects get activated during the vimshottari dasha system, which is otherwise a planet based system. rashi aspects i dont think show whats always there, otherwise i would have had chronic fatigue my whole life, not just the onset of moon MD. i did not have it during the sun MD or the venus MD. (this timing part i believe sadasiva has refered to as well)
                my teacher, james kelleher, prefers to stick with graha aspects for vimshottari, and rashi aspects for narayana and other rashi based dashas. i believe this is incorrect, as it appears we must use both for all dashas.
                any comments?
          • Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

            Thu, January 3, 2008 - 12:13 PM
            "the way i see it, graha aspects dont address this at all. now per rashi aspects, moon and rahu aspect eachother, and thus rahu's aspect both on lagna and lagnesh got activated during moon vimshottari mahadasha.
            any ideas? "

            i recognize this conversation,.. ;-)

            The way i use the rasi aspects now are related to things that are of a more permanent nature,, I hate to say "fixed karma" but things that are more like fixed qualities.

            So, for example, a Jupiter rasi aspect on the lagna or lagna lord may make a person tall, heavy, philisophical IN NATURE, regardless of dasa/bhukti, transits and other dynamic indicators, etc. (A person does not grow tall, then short for example - but they may lose weight, study now, abandon it, etc)

            A Jupiter graha drishti to the lagna or lagna lord will show weight gain and loss, philisophical moments here and there and affectations based on certain conditions, like dasas and other dynamic factors. Now of course a powerful Jupiter graha drishti supported by other factors will be more definite. Aspected by the 9th lord will also increase the philisophical nature, aspected by the Moon will increase permanent kapha nature, so you have to assess those things also.

            I don't generally use my chart for examples, but My Jupiter offers a good example. I have Jupiter in my 10th rasi aspecting all of the angles (gemini lagna) as well as several planets - mercury, venus, the sun, rahu and ketu - This gives certain fixed qualities of jupiter to those planets and in all of those areas of life, career, relationships and partners, health, basic life path all have those qualities. They are quite prominent as well given that Jupiter is in Pisces, his own sign.

            Yet i also have saturn and mars giving very tight planetary aspects to that Jupiter. So i also have to deal with quite a bit of competition, enemies, hostility (mars) as well as aloneness, solitude, punishment and cruelty (saturn) from time to time in all areas of life. I usually start to see it and feel it in my career first, then relationships - as Jupiter rules the 10th and the 7th (the 10 is dominant to the 7th) AND those planetary aspects are on Jupiter IN the 10th house. Yet these things always compel me to develop more Jupiter qualities, which then get spread to all of those areas. - hopefully at least,.. :-)

            So even though Jupiter gives the enduring qualities and protection to those areas of life, as shown by the rasi aspects, he has to deal with the graha drishti from these malefics when they become activated. Like now with Mars transiting my first and Saturn approaching my natal mars, there is plenty of this.

            In the rasi based dasas generally assigned to Jaimini (although they are also in BPHS) and techniques that use them, rasi aspects are mainly used due to this fixed nature, the permanent relationships between the rasis. The rasis are always there, in the same place, aspecting each other whether there is a graha occupying them or not. The grahas are always moving, more fluid and thus show a more dynamic quality.

            This is why IMO you will see the Nodes affect through rasi aspect but not graha drishti. They occupy a rasi and the rasi aspects another. Also, Rasi aspects are not reckoned by degrees of orb like graha drishti. They are either on or off. If Rahu and ketu were meant to cast a graha drishti, they would have been in the chapter on Graha Drishti, their orbs would have been defined like the other grahas. At least this is how i see it. I am open though to other interpretations, but a shadow having a glance does not make sense to me. But a shadow affecting a territory (A rasi) and that territory affecting another due to its permanent relationship to another territory resonates with me.

            One more thing. I tend to just use the special graha Drishti of mars, Saturn and Jupiter are they are the only ones that are 100% .. the 7th house graha drishti of the other planets are also 100% .. the others are all percentages.. like the 7th house aspect of Jupiter is actually only 1/2 (with two feet) so the 7th house aspects of mars, Saturn and Jupiter is not 100%
            • Re: rahu, special graha drishti, and rashi drishti

              Thu, January 3, 2008 - 12:16 PM
              BTW - I think the fixed nature of the rasi dristi also include dynamic factors such as dasa/bhukti affairs, like Kali's Chronic fatigue, not just attributes.
              • hi david,
                oops, sorry
                1972, seventy two


                and thanks for everyone's input. (and sadasiva, i am glad i bumped into you at amma's...got me thinking, as you can see)
                so now unless i am wrong, my chart proves rashi aspects get activated during the vimshottari dasha system, which is otherwise a planet based system. rashi aspects i dont think show whats always there, otherwise i would have had chronic fatigue my whole life, not just the onset of moon MD. i did not have it during the sun MD or the venus MD. (this timing part i believe sadasiva has refered to as well)
                my teacher, james kelleher, prefers to stick with graha aspects for vimshottari, and rashi aspects for narayana and other rashi based dashas. i believe this is incorrect, as it appears we must use both for all dashas.
                any comments?
                • "rashi aspects i dont think show whats always there, otherwise i would have had chronic fatigue my whole life, not just the onset of moon MD."

                  Kali, I did not mean it like that, so literal, but i see how I may have written it that way.

                  Rahu Is affecting your moon (psychology) continuously, and bringing a somewhat "fixed" result to the body (rasi chart) like this in the right dasa cycle. Moon dasa activated Rahu and the aspect because Moon is rasi aspecting Rahu Also w/ Rahu rasi aspecting the lagna.

                  Rahu also aspects your lagna, so the life of a foreigner may also be indicated and the feeling of being an outsider. I think he also affects your lagna lord and 4th house lord, your body and where you live,, so all of these things start to add up to a mostly foreign residence also.

                  But yes, I would say use rasi aspects for all dasas and character qualities also.

                  An interesting study would be to assess rasi aspects using the D-1 rasi chart - the chart for health.

                  In the appropriate vargas, powerful results are shown using rasi aspects from the correct chara karaka, pada ,Swamsa, AK.
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              Sadasiva,

              Thanks so much for chiming in. Still trying to figure out the different kinds of aspects, but I like your description. The rasi aspects are really the signs themselves aspecting each other, and bringing along the planets. I have heard it described like windows between the signs, so it's almost like a step away from being in the same sign/house. The rashi drishtis seem more able to combine the nature of the grahas, like if you have the Moon & Mercury combined you are a healer, etc. The graha drishtis seem more like the details and the influences the planets have on each other as representations of separate things. So Jupiter's graha drishti on Venus shows how wealth affects the spouse, whereas Jupiter's rashi drishti to Venus shows that you have a Jupiter-like spouse. Does that make sense?

              gears moving,
              David

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